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| RodInNS
06-28-2009 17:55:53
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If you're running bias tires, CaCl works fine. If you're running radials you won't keep tubes in them with CaCl. There's too much flex in the radial tires.
The way I look at it, you're better off with cast weight anyway. It will cost more up front, but if you have a flat, one service call will pretty much eat up any savings you had over cast... and if you fix them yourself you'll find that a tubeless tire is a lot quicker and easier to change/fix than a loaded tube type tire.I'm in the process of changing all of mine over to tubeless and adding wheel weight... Rod
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| M w J
07-18-2009 06:27:06
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Re: Fluid filled tires, good or bad? in reply to RodInNS, 06-28-2009 17:55:53
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| I have an 8960 with CaCi in all 8 tires and run 8lbs of air in them I had radial tubes in all of them . I didn"t have any trouble with the tube until the tires got real chewed up with stubble.It gets used very hard in the fall of the year I have had it powerhop so bad you couldn"t reach the throttle to slow it down . But after the tires got chewed up we took the tubes out and run tubless . I had to take a tire off last year because of a bead leak the rims were not rusty they had the paint turned brown The wheels won"t rust if they are covered with the fluid .But when exposed to air without being cleaned they will.
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| Radials
07-09-2009 07:49:43
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Re: Fluid filled tires, good or bad? in reply to RodInNS, 06-28-2009 17:55:53
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| My loader tractor has radials, tubes and cal in the tubes. (16.9x30's) I bought the tractor new in 1998 and the tires/tubes/cal are all origional, don't leak and i've never had one of them go flat or give a moments problem.
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| RodInNS
07-09-2009 19:14:40
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Re: Fluid filled tires, good or bad? in reply to Radials, 07-09-2009 07:49:43
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| | You don't do much with it then... When you load it down with heavy axle loads and make it pull it will shear the valve stems off. If you want to prevent that you can air the tires up... and that basically negates any benefit you get from a radial, so you might as well just buy a bias tire.
Radials at minimum need to be dry... and I'd suggest tubeless if you want to stop the tube problems. Rod
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| Radials
07-13-2009 16:25:52
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Re: Fluid filled tires, good or bad? in reply to RodInNS, 07-09-2009 19:14:40
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| If you think "i don't do much with it", your wrong... It's our "chore" tractor, and it gets a lot of use, in all kinds of jobs. I REPEAT, it's never had a leak, and has the origional tubes from the factory. I know this, because i bought the tractor new.
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| RodInNS
07-13-2009 20:13:40
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Re: Fluid filled tires, good or bad? in reply to Radials, 07-13-2009 16:25:52
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| You can put a lot of hours on a tractor without doing a whole hell of a lot...
You're also in a situation where it's not loaded heavily on the rear when it has a loader on the front.
I have less trouble with tubes in my loader tractor than the others... probably to the point where I don't see it as much of a problem. However, the other two that do the drawbar work and are ballasted to do heavy drawbar work were continously shearing valve stems off the tubes on both Michelin and Firestone tires.
I could probably air them up to 25 psi to avoid that problem but at that point the good of the radial would be defeated... so I'm switching them to tubless as they fail.
I'll say again... if you haven't sheared a stem off a loaded radial, you haven't made it pull.Rod
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| Radials
07-14-2009 15:58:55
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Re: Fluid filled tires, good or bad? in reply to RodInNS, 07-13-2009 20:13:40
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| | Now that's different... First you made the broad statement ----> "If you're running bias tires, CaCl works fine. If you're running radials you won't keep tubes in them with CaCl. There's too much flex in the radial tires." My answer was to "that" statement. Now your adding in, heavy draft loads, and even though my tractor does pull some heavy loads, it does not do a lot of tillage that requires heavy draft loads.
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| RodInNS
07-14-2009 19:26:43
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Re: Fluid filled tires, good or bad? in reply to Radials, 07-14-2009 15:58:55
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| I'll put it to you this way.
I've got 3 tractors with radials.
A Ford 3930 FWD w/loader that has Michelin's on the rear.
It's sheared one tube.A NewHolland TS90 with Michelin's on the rear and a very similar BFG radial on the front. It's sheared at least one front and 2 or 3 rears off now. All at the stem.
Neither of these do the 'heavy' work here, but they do at times get loaded down heavy with heavy mounted equipment and they also do some heavy pulling relative to their size. The other one is a Ford 7710 with Firestone 23 degree's. I've simply lost count of how many tubes I put in those tires now. It was at least one per year for each tire for a while and they're on there 10 years...
Not one of those tires has a hole in them. They've never given a single problem otherwise... just constant trouble with tubes.
You can either air them up and down all the time for whatever load is on them, air them up and leave them up which makes the tire worthless, or basically do nothing with the tractor. Last summer the TS90 let one rip on a Michelin. It was a saturday afternoon and I had hay to bale. I yanked the tube out, screwed a brass stem in that I had in the toolbox, shoved the tire back on the wheel, stuck the air line on and fired the shot from the bead chetah. I haven't looked at it since.
I did one on the 7710 this spring. I noticed the other leaking tonight. It's getting the same treatment.
I'm done with tubes in radial tires. It's cost me far, far more than a load of cast iron would ever cost. Rod
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| jcummins
07-13-2009 16:40:06
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Re: Fluid filled tires, good or bad? in reply to Radials, 07-13-2009 16:25:52
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| Radials said: (quoted from post at 16:25:52 07/13/09) If you think "i don't do much with it", your wrong... It's our "chore" tractor, and it gets a lot of use, in all kinds of jobs. I REPEAT, it's never had a leak, and has the origional tubes from the factory. I know this, because i bought the tractor new. |
But I bet your don't have many thorn bushes on your place.
I'm working on those thorny things, but until I get ALL of the bigger ones off the place, I won't consider doing it. I would like the extra weight for loader work.
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