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Topic: Re: used 100 h.p. tractor purchase
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Tx Jim

07-16-2009 04:13:35
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RodinNS

A Ford 5610 is the one I received my introduction to open center/closed center hyd's on the same tractor.

Please explain the difference in JD's closed center system and NH CCLS.

What do you mean when you state "All the advantages of variable displacement/closed center with a system that can unload itself when there's no demand"?

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RodInNS

07-16-2009 05:32:18
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The Ford's of that day were technically open center systems except that they used CCLS valves... so in that sense they were closed center WITH load sensing.
The vintage Deere's used a radial piston pump... as you know. When there was no demand they destroked at high stand-by, always maintaining system pressure. IF there was a leak anywhere, the pump would go to stroke and try to plug the hole...

The newer systems are often called CCLS. They are more properly called PFC or Pressure Flow Compensated. They use the same remote valves as the Ford's did... which is to say that they are closed center with load sensing... and the same as the Ford's, if you don't activate a valve, there is no flow to the valve. The system is at rest.
The main difference is that this system uses a variable displacement pump like the old Deere's in combination with a pressure compensated flow control.
Wheras the Deere would stroke with a pressure drop, these systems have their stroke controlled by the PFC valve. When a remote is activated, that creates a pilot flow (demand) signal to the PFC valve which then directs oil to the stroke control on the pump. The more demand, the more it strokes the pump. It can run at high standby like the old Deere's if you tie the remote off so it maintains demand... but the main difference is that when you kick the remote to neutral, the pilot flow is cut off, demand ceases and the pump again returns to a destroked position.
It is supposed to be a more efficient system in that it allows thigns to relax and lower the power requirement along with reducing stress on the system.
The main failing I've seen with that generation of Deere's that existed around here was high pressure leaks from that system... somethign that's more or less removed in the PFC system.
That's not to condemn the old system. It's been around on those tractors for the best part of 50 years, but time has overtaken it.
Deere went to PFC about 20 years ago if I'm not mistaken...

Rod

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