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Topic: AGCO Allis 5600 Series Air Cooled Diesel Quesiton
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Bill

07-07-2000 19:30:01
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Any body using the AGCO Allis 5600 Series tractors with their air cooled diesel engine? I never heard of an air cooled diesel. Seems like all of the brochures I have read push the merits of the liquid cooled diesel engines. I like the idea of eliminating the parts, additional maintenance and cold weather warm-up. How reliable are these engines and how do they perform during haying operations in 90+ degree weather?

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Bill

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Robert

07-31-2000 18:52:54
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Re: AGCO Allis 5600 Series Air Cooled Diesel Quesiton in reply to Bill, 07-07-2000 19:30:01  
I have two Agco air cooled tractors that i bought new. They are NOT Deutz engines, all though i've had at least one Deutz tractor around for over 15 years now.
The 5600 series Agco's are very good tractors! I have an ALO loader on one of mine, and it's been loading sand & top soil out of my pit with out problems. I all so use it for skidding logs and loading them on my 9 ton running gear. I use this FWA tractor for all the tough loading jobs on my farm, and i'm happy to say it's never broken or let us down.
I think if more people tried an air cooled diesel, the big companys would have to build them to keep up with the demand!!
Robert

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Dan from PA

07-11-2000 08:17:57
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Re: AGCO Allis 5600 Series Air Cooled Diesel Quesiton in reply to Bill, 07-07-2000 19:30:01  
I assume (Warning! Warning!) that this motor came from the Deutz-Allis (formerly Deutz-Fahr, KHD) line. AFAIK Deutz engines were all air cooled. I understand they performed well, if kept clean.

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matthew

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Re: AGCO Allis 5600 Series Air Cooled Diesel Quesiton in reply to Bill, 07-07-2000 19:30:01  
hey
been digging through the agco allis site and it appears the tractor in question is the same as a SAME DOLARADO or EXPLORER...unsure because the pictures on the site where pretty hopeless...but the engines in question are common (3 and 4 cylinder) through out the SAME range here in New Zealand
so to answer your question, i haven't worked with AGCO allis tractors but i have put in alot of time in the field on a SAME SILVER 80 and SILVER 90....both the 4 cylinder 4 litre motor but the 90 had a turbo....the motor is reliable and very durable providing you don't get one made on a Monday, Friday or the day before a public holiday!....factory quality control we found to be an issue, to much wine or dreaming of wine!, but when we got a good one, it put a smile on your face from ear to ear!
the motor in the silver 90 was a strong motor but we had a lot of problems with the cold start mechanism, it was running on 3 cylinders and misssing badly, and i managed to shear of a bolt in the chassis which held one of the alternators up in by the engine(all power to the cab and computer stoped!)..but the other alternator kept going running the engine cooling fans(lucky eh)....when the farmer sold it (not long ago), it had done 4500hours in 4 yrs...in that time the gearbox was out, fixed, and the front axle got attention!
the silver 80....we ran that in the hard way on a silage chopper, and she never looked back(we think we got a good tractor)....she has 3500hours on her now and is now a forklift and harvester tractor being used regularly for vege harvesting
.....the farm now has a explorer 90 hi clearance tractor for harveting as well...she is proving to be a strong machine
......the engine cooling i was impressed with on these machines, going up wind or down wind you could see the temp gauge move, and we never came close to cooking it in mid summer, under slow-heavy cultivation....we never did hay with these machines but the fans are well pretected so imagine hay won't be a problem
......the engine is a bit louder than the usual water cooled variations because they don't have a water jacket around the cylinder dampening the sound, in my experience because the do run a bit hotter they can use a bit of oil, which is usually no big deal, because its habit to check oil every day
the air cooled concept is a good idea....especially for mid winter operations (don't have to worry about anti freeze)....and if you want good entertainment get someone inexperienced with the style motor to check the water!
hope this is of some help, and i haven't dissapear to far of the point

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